tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post3329821365824470508..comments2024-03-21T19:08:05.737-07:00Comments on Genealogy's Star: Will Genealogy Survive?James Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-19147701560366585392014-05-12T19:40:28.526-07:002014-05-12T19:40:28.526-07:00Quick, final remarks:
(1) President Benson describ...Quick, final remarks:<br />(1) President Benson describes the Nephite way of teaching: "The Book of Mormon Saints knew that the plan of redemption must start with the account of the fall of Adam. . . ."<br />(2) President Benson: "Now, after we teach the great plan of the Eternal God, we must personally bear our testimonies of its truthfulness. . . ."<br />(3) As a professional genealogist, the record in the language of Adam is the only record source that contains the concurrent documentation of these facts. Short of this record and language, the proof of verification lies in brief, surviving and interpreted, disjointed references, that are proofs of recordings and testimonies, but it does not have the full force of primary documentation witness, in finally establishing what occurred, without question or doubt. <br />Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.http://academic-genealogy.com/foreignlanguagestranslations.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-17807873375718328182014-05-12T19:06:39.277-07:002014-05-12T19:06:39.277-07:00Hmm. I don't know if I can go along with your ...Hmm. I don't know if I can go along with your thesis here. Maybe I don't understand what you are saying, but I am not sure that language has anything to do with the availability of records kept here on earth. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-80906477410017298732014-05-12T18:36:57.510-07:002014-05-12T18:36:57.510-07:00I noticed one of your postings dated Sunday, Novem...I noticed one of your postings dated Sunday, November 10, 2013, re: "The Challenge of Duplication of Temple Work -- Opening Comments"<br />http://rejoiceandbeexceedingglad.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-challenge-of-duplication-of-temple.html<br /><br />You emphasize: "this Society, or some organization growing out of this Society, will have in its care some elaborate, but perfect system of exact registration and checking, so that the work in the temples may be conducted without confusion or duplication."<br /><br />James, you continue with "Unsuccessful efforts to eliminate duplication of research and Temple work date back as far as the 1890s. . . . During those early years, all of the systems used to avoid duplication proved inadequate.. . . at this point more than 100 years after Nephi Anderson's prophecy and almost 120 years since the establishment of the Genealogical Society of Utah we are still facing exactly the same challenges only on a massive scale." <br /><br />What I have above noted explicitly as a dereliction of duty is: " for it was given unto as many as called upon God to write by the spirit of inspiration"; i.e., any sincere computer specialist in the Year of Our Lord 2014, well knows that not only are there over 7,000 identified human languages; there are also a plethora of computer processes and languages used that defy quantification and qualification for exact matching of data information resources. Therefore, any simple inquiry by calling upon God, would instantly reveal the absolute necessity of obtaining, learning and promoting a pure and undefiled language, to chase away all darkness in these communications and recordings done between area world populations, as well as complex machine systems. Most people assume that in the future, seers would translate into English, etc., as in the case of the Book of Mormon. I see a different future avenue, in which a righteous population is educated in a universal language, which then will have linguistic genealogists restoring fragmented remains of spoken and written works, for both the living and the dead.<br /><br />I find it interesting to contemplate language distortions: "Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth? Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together. And that which doth not edify is not of God, and is darkness. Language clarification and purity are necessary. both for missionary activities, as well as family exaltation. My way of thinking: It all is circumscribed together as one.Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.http://academic-genealogy.com/foreignlanguagestranslations.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-17862259719041797852014-05-12T16:45:24.909-07:002014-05-12T16:45:24.909-07:00Well, for example, if you choose a source for any ...Well, for example, if you choose a source for any one of the big online programs the programs choose the format and form of the source citations. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-30816338615326326842014-05-12T16:44:05.750-07:002014-05-12T16:44:05.750-07:00I agree. Thanks. I agree. Thanks. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-56475311494938788772014-05-12T16:43:41.753-07:002014-05-12T16:43:41.753-07:00Well, the big online databases are the "Overs...Well, the big online databases are the "Overseas" market. I think they are leading the way. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-30065433928527221572014-05-12T16:42:56.606-07:002014-05-12T16:42:56.606-07:00I have quoted the same passage myself at least twi...I have quoted the same passage myself at least twice. Thanks for the interesting insight. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-75730430454706349182014-05-12T13:01:43.313-07:002014-05-12T13:01:43.313-07:00Nephi Anderson, back in 1911,mentioned something p...Nephi Anderson, back in 1911,mentioned something pertinent to this discussion, that was recently re-quoted in 2004 by David E. Rencher, AG, FUGA : "I see the records of the dead and their histories gathered from ... established in the nations, but in Zion will be the records of last resort and final authority. Trained genealogists will find constant work in all nations having unpublished records, searching among the archives for families and family connections. . . .<br />https://familyhistory.byu.edu/pdf/firesides/2004-11-12.pdf<br /><br />The issue at hand is simple and basic.<br />(1) The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has not yet, even at this late date in world history, desired to establish a record keeping system that is the final authority pertaining to genealogical matters;<br />(2) They have not taught the absolute necessity of having "trained genealogists" on a worldwide basis. This appears to be a future, direct priesthood responsibility, as: "And a book of remembrance was kept, in the which was recorded, in the language of Adam, for it was given unto as many as called upon God to write by the spirit of inspiration; And by them their children were taught to read and write, having a language which was pure and undefiled. Now this same Priesthood, which was in the beginning, shall be in the end of the world also." . . . So, I see sometime in the future, language reeducation and writing "by the spirit of inspiration" will be an integral necessity of family historians, to be competent in factual documentation; truly professional genealogists.<br />Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.http://academic-genealogy.com/foreignlanguagestranslations.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-70893601378944048112014-05-10T17:25:00.571-07:002014-05-10T17:25:00.571-07:00I completely agree with your analysis; Wonder if y...I completely agree with your analysis; Wonder if you feel that the overseas 'market' is approaching this at the same pace or if you feel it is still some years behind? Selfishly I am hoping that they are catching up.Tracy L Meyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09003154807941928311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-35513434856140188222014-05-10T15:06:15.712-07:002014-05-10T15:06:15.712-07:00Interesting perspective on the "old line"...Interesting perspective on the "old line" genealogists James. I have suspected this ever since FHISO failed to engage their participation, but you say it very clearly and convincingly here. I believe you will get some denial and counter-argument to this post but time will tell. I think the problem extends beyond the increased availability of online records though. The very approach to structuring and representing research data will likely change as more people with experience of data modelling become involved. As an instance, there's a current thread on the TGF forum talking about standards for recording places - basically there are none, other than recording a name as it was written (BCG), but this discussion is entirely focused on the written name as though identification will be obvious. This betrays a journalistic approach rather than a scientific approach.Tony Proctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330460400737261264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-54033131042629212992014-05-10T12:47:28.710-07:002014-05-10T12:47:28.710-07:00I agree with you James. I think the new 'norm...I agree with you James. I think the new 'norm' (i.e. the mega-online dynamically linked databases) is going to come faster than any of us believe possible, regardless of our current point of view or involvement in technology.Lee Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887845471606058415noreply@blogger.com