tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post716254376192388467..comments2024-03-07T23:20:49.790-07:00Comments on Genealogy's Star: The Good and the Bad of Names, Dates and Places -- Part Four Places James Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-40024796836031747502014-04-25T15:54:59.773-07:002014-04-25T15:54:59.773-07:00Hmm. I really do learn something new every day. I ...Hmm. I really do learn something new every day. I suppose had I thought about it I would probably have predicted that there were layers of numbering systems. Anyone want to claim another layer?James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-9772967111162236712014-04-25T15:25:32.758-07:002014-04-25T15:25:32.758-07:00Great to learn that Red Numbers can still be conve...Great to learn that Red Numbers can still be converted to modern numbers. However, Red Numbers are actually the second scheme used by GSU. Some of the oldest Archive Sheets cite only the oldest numbers. To convert them, I first had to go to the library attendant's window and ask them for a particular book that converted the oldest numbers to Red Numbers. I then went to the DOS FHLC and converted the Red Numbers to the modern numbers. It would make my day to find that the wiki has a conversion table for those oldest numbers. I always had tremendous difficulty in getting the library attendant to find the book. Back when I did research for clients, I lived in fear that the FHL would one day toss out the book, thinking that it no longer had any value. The last time I used it was about ten years ago, so maybe it has been tossed out by now.<br />Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217841938660671388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-22850513503955027362014-04-25T08:47:41.225-07:002014-04-25T08:47:41.225-07:00OK, now I see the issue. Yes, if you click on the ...OK, now I see the issue. Yes, if you click on the link that says "Learn More" about the collection, you will see the following statement. "Whenever possible, FamilySearch makes images available for all users. However, ultimate rights to view images on our website are granted by the record custodians. The Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section collection is available only to members of the supporting organization, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Sorry about the misunderstanding. I don't think this is a big issue because if you go to the Search Link for Genealogies, you can search both the Ancestral File and the Pedigree Resource File. The only thing lacking is the actual images. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-91260927517389219202014-04-25T08:36:42.217-07:002014-04-25T08:36:42.217-07:00I am attempting to view images on the "Family...I am attempting to view images on the "Family Group Records Collection, Archives Section, 1942-1969". When I try to view an image when not logged on I get the message "This image is viewable to signed in members of supporting organizations". When I am logged in using my free FamilySearch.org login I get the message "Image not available" when I try to view an image. There may be something wrong with the collection at this particular time. I have not had this problem on any other records. Thanks for the help.James G "Jim" Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09708879033930183953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-53780968130667613482014-04-25T08:16:02.748-07:002014-04-25T08:16:02.748-07:00Any one can use FamilySearch.org's Historical ...Any one can use FamilySearch.org's Historical Record Collections for free. It is not necessary to register to use the collections. To view some of the images it does require a free registration. I don't know what other images you are referring to.James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-72736925198173301362014-04-25T07:55:43.618-07:002014-04-25T07:55:43.618-07:00I attempted to view these records but it told me I...I attempted to view these records but it told me I had to sign in as a supporting organization. I tried signing in with you FamilySearch username and password but then it to me the image was not available. Is this just for Church members? I would love to view these images. You never know what you can find in these type records. Any help would be appreciated.James G "Jim" Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09708879033930183953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-69605157714378696522014-04-24T17:39:32.762-07:002014-04-24T17:39:32.762-07:00I learn something every day. Thanks so much for th...I learn something every day. Thanks so much for this explanation. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-62462955652954704562014-04-24T17:13:56.594-07:002014-04-24T17:13:56.594-07:00I’ve run across the old film numbers before. By go...I’ve run across the old film numbers before. By googling “family history library old film numbers,” you can find conversion tables here:<br /><br />http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Category:Old_microfilm_number_conversion<br /><br />“26214 pt 2” converts to 0193874 which in the catalog is:<br /><br />Kirchenbuch, 1709-1936<br />Authors: Evangelische Kirche Großniedesheim (BA. Frankenthal) (Main Author)<br />Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film<br />Language: German<br />Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1958, 1986, 1990<br />Physical: auf 4 Mikrofilmrollen ; 35 mm.<br />Notes<br />Mikrofilme aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Protestantischen Landeskirchenarchiv der Pfalz, Speyer, Bayern, Deutschland.<br />Baptisms, marriages, deaths, confirmations, and communicant records of the Protestant Church of Großniedesheim, Bayern, Germany. Includes records from Kleinniedesheim. Each volume has a table of contents. There are gaps in the records.<br /><br />Film 0193874 specifically is “Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1839-1873.”Gordon Colletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10501621351412089615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-71538813946830551452014-04-24T12:39:53.892-07:002014-04-24T12:39:53.892-07:00Thanks for the extremely good information. There i...Thanks for the extremely good information. There is always a way to get more information. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-53019839400607874122014-04-24T12:38:15.027-07:002014-04-24T12:38:15.027-07:00That could certainly be true. Thanks for the expla...That could certainly be true. Thanks for the explanation. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-19914384943902812812014-04-24T12:37:41.416-07:002014-04-24T12:37:41.416-07:00I relate to what you are doing. I also have a coll...I relate to what you are doing. I also have a collection of the old and older lesson books and reference books. Thanks for the comment.James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-12151891843039322162014-04-24T12:24:55.599-07:002014-04-24T12:24:55.599-07:00I too have Danish Ancestors.I too have Danish Ancestors.James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-49478296541689690982014-04-24T09:29:39.497-07:002014-04-24T09:29:39.497-07:00Location and location names can also have an effec...Location and location names can also have an effect on us living today. All my ancestors came from Germany. My wife's from Denmark. I have a sign in my garage that states "Being married to a Dane builds character." Recently I discovered that a great grandfather was born in part of Schleswig-Holstein while it was part of Denmark. Now I have to deal with the fact that my six children are more Danish than German!Grandpa Landmeierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397287163921539683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-12015439631285033712014-04-24T09:22:54.919-07:002014-04-24T09:22:54.919-07:00When I look at Archive Sheets, I determine whether...When I look at Archive Sheets, I determine whether there are initials typed somewhere near the name of the person who submitted the group sheet. When they are there, I know that a professional genealogist employed by the old Research Division of GSU did the research. The case files of the Research Division were microfilmed when the division was shut down, and so it is possible to see all of the working papers of the genealogist who did the research on the group sheet in question. On research I did for a client in the early 2000s, I found microfilm copies of original letters written in the 1930s between my client's grandmother (living in Utah at the time) and her parents (still living then in England). Presumably, my client's grandmother gave the one and only copies of those letters to GSU when the GSU genealogist did research back in the 1940s. My client was thrilled to get them.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217841938660671388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-84246509956810160002014-04-24T09:17:38.050-07:002014-04-24T09:17:38.050-07:00The number you found on the German Archive Sheet l...The number you found on the German Archive Sheet looks like it was a Red Number (red numbers were the numbering system used by GSU immediately prior to their present system) -- for a number of years, microfilm boxes at the FHL had the new numbers in black ink and the old numbers in red ink. Hence the term "Red Number". The FHLC on the old DOS version of FamilySearch had a utility to convert Red Numbers to modern numbers, but that utility is now lost.<br />Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217841938660671388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-15663679961165702132014-04-24T09:14:56.197-07:002014-04-24T09:14:56.197-07:00In understanding the old Archive Sheets, it helps ...In understanding the old Archive Sheets, it helps to know what instructions were given at the time to the people filling them out. Over the years, I have been able to get a good collection of books containing these instructions by searching for them at thrift stores in Utah. These are the books published by the LDS Church (or GSU or DeseretBook) during the 1940s-1970s on the topic of genealogy.<br />Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04217841938660671388noreply@blogger.com