tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post7502672037786054170..comments2024-03-07T23:20:49.790-07:00Comments on Genealogy's Star: Citations vs. SourcesJames Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-46787709463760979052017-11-01T01:10:04.558-07:002017-11-01T01:10:04.558-07:00Citation formats can be too intimidating for resea...Citation formats can be too intimidating for researches. As to the <a href="https://www.annotatedbibliographymaker.com/annotated-bibliography-in-turabian-format/" rel="nofollow">turabian annotated bibliography</a>, it is fundamentally the same as some different styles so mind must be taken to guarantee that you are really following the correct style on the off chance that you need to have your paper acknowledged. The most straightforward approach to guarantee that you hit the nail on the head is to take after a Turabian explained book index case with the goal that you can see precisely how your reference ought to be laid out on the page.Jodie Kaurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16622702795806363612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-12579700568746609432016-09-02T14:57:17.533-07:002016-09-02T14:57:17.533-07:00niceniceAllen jeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312119051975318074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-20271513693582128632016-08-11T13:44:46.033-07:002016-08-11T13:44:46.033-07:00Every research paper in the liberal arts and human...Every research paper in the liberal arts and humanities disciplines must have an MLA format annotated bibliography to cite the sources used to write the paper. Most students cannot recall MLA guidelines by memory. Students always need help while writing such bibliographies. See more <a href="http://www.annotatedbibliographyapa.net/why-choose-our-apa-annotated-bibliography-generator/" rel="nofollow">annotated bibliography generator apa</a>Jessy Ryderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15644737028828383577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-45245802674196015232013-06-24T13:38:54.139-07:002013-06-24T13:38:54.139-07:00Okay, James. I'll bite. Why would we not cit...Okay, James. I'll bite. Why would we not cite a comic book the way we'd cite any other book? Are there really significant differences that would require the addition of yet another example to EE's {shudder} 880 pages?Elizabeth Shown Millshttp://www.evidenceexplained.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-88900864773543546692013-06-22T17:38:59.339-07:002013-06-22T17:38:59.339-07:00You shouldn't be trying to figure out where th...You shouldn't be trying to figure out where the original of a digitized record is, unless you viewed it at that place. If you viewed it online, you would cite the digitized version. You cite what you used.Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-90871090264382059612013-06-22T17:36:10.232-07:002013-06-22T17:36:10.232-07:00A small matter. "Turabian" is not a sepa...A small matter. "Turabian" is not a separate style. It is the name of the author of a book explaining the Chicago Manual of Style.<br /><br />However, neither of these two guides, nor APA, nor MLA, discusses how to cite original records of the breadth of those used by genealogists conducting research in original records.<br /><br />The only guide that even discusses writing the kinds of citations that we genealogists would need to write is Evidence Explained, which is itself an expansion of the Chicago style to include the original records we use.Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-32793759729051350472013-06-10T16:04:06.667-07:002013-06-10T16:04:06.667-07:00I very much want to learn more about my family roo...I very much want to learn more about my family roots; and I have spent a lot of time finding information. From reading genealogy blog posts, I have an idea of the value of various sources; and I don't copy unsourced info from Ancestry trees. <br /><br />However. I only have a limited amount of time to spend researching my family; and the idea of having to read a book to be able to adequately cite sources - well - it seems to me to be ridiculous. If I make a note (my program calls it 'free form') that can help me find the information again, that's enough for me. I'm a detail-oriented person, but I cannot imagine worrying over semi-colons or colons for whatever. That's not the point. I want to learn more about my family - not write the perfect citation.<br />anitabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00581214810248124603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-61065584933006359132013-06-09T19:26:48.090-07:002013-06-09T19:26:48.090-07:00You are so right about how difficult it is for beg...You are so right about how difficult it is for beginners to figure out how to cite sources in genealogy software. I have been doing genealogy for a decade, but the sources in FTM are in a sorry state. I have tried numerous times to start doing them right and I get bogged down because I have to try to figure out where the original documents for something I found digitized on FamilySearch are located. Or I'm trying to determine if it is a county record now held by the state or something else. I get one done and then I realize that the software never asked me what website I found it at so I give up and don't try again for half a year. I really want to do this right both for myself and others, but I get so frustrated I just dread trying again. <br />It would be nice if these programs could do something like the tax software. Q: what record is it? A: census. Q: is it federal or state? A: federal. Q: did you get it from a website or a brick and mortar location? And so on. It could even allow you to enter "I don't know" and leave that field blank so you could at least put in something and perhaps go back later when you understand the process better and could answer it then. Thanks for letting me vent! Sonja Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882161369011476773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-40529800740482418282013-06-09T18:40:28.216-07:002013-06-09T18:40:28.216-07:00I've been fortunate to do quite a lot of terti...I've been fortunate to do quite a lot of tertiary study so have used almost every formatting method known to humankind at one point or another. The key guiding principles I was taught by one of our uni's chief librarians were that 1) if someone needed to, they should be able to locate a source to check a fact you presented, and 2) whatever method you use, you should aim for consistency to avoid confusion. That's the kind of KISS approach to referencing which encourages people to record and cite their sources as the top priority. Trying to fully implement the approaches outlined in EE as a relative novice is like trying to run before you can walk.GenXalogyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09441450423383245559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-83997788946509406722013-06-03T16:31:53.029-07:002013-06-03T16:31:53.029-07:00Thank you --thank you --Thank you James !
And wha...Thank you --thank you --Thank you James !<br /><br />And what you are really getting at here is THE reason we are not drawing more interest from younger researchers, this recent OBSESSION with citations and sourcing would scare even the hardiest genealogist away.<br /><br />The research and discovery is the real fun of family history research and incorporate the use of the new technology and genealogy becomes a very exciting 21st century hobby - we just need very simple framework to cite where you get records/information from !<br /><br />I am a mastered degreed librarian and in library school we used Turabian but in undergrad we used MLA. It's just too much for what is supposed to be a fun pastime.<br /><br />My students love this easy bib/citation maker :<br /><br />http://www.easybib.com/<br /><br />by the way standard MLA for comic book would look like this :-)<br /><br />[Fox, Gardner F. (w), Mike Sekowsky (p), and Bernard Sachs (i).] "The Wheel of Misfortune." Justice League of America #6 (Aug.-Sep. 1961), National Comics Publications [DC Comics].<br /><br />Thanks, Nancy cunningb2@gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-21558589712692829652013-06-03T13:12:14.867-07:002013-06-03T13:12:14.867-07:00*applause* And thank you! Citations is probably ...*applause* And thank you! Citations is probably the biggest thing I'm struggling with right now, and it's nice to know that I don't have to be too hard on myself if I don't "get it right". I guess it's more important to "get it written"!Christine M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01625485691037280392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-53058471343608442332013-06-03T07:05:46.780-07:002013-06-03T07:05:46.780-07:00As a PhD in English, I am shocked at how intricate...As a PhD in English, I am shocked at how intricate the citation format is for genealogy. Shown is clearly an expert in her field, but MLA documentation long ago did away with the difficult and repetitive citation/sources cited page that she describes. (I have her book). As James Tanner writes, if the reader is provided enough information to locate the source, that is sufficient! I teach enough students who are intimidated by the relatively simple MLA documentation format--no wonder many genealogists are overwhelmed by the current baroque system prescribed for genealogy. Use the system you know best--use Turabian or Chicago or APA--I'm going MLA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-31517345292438843062013-06-03T06:43:54.088-07:002013-06-03T06:43:54.088-07:00Two quick thoughts:
In my Illinois State Genealog...Two quick thoughts:<br /><br />In my Illinois State Genealogical Society webinar on this subject I said that "Something is better than nothing" in the matter of citations. But it is a language, and the better you speak that language the easier others will be able to communicate with you and appreciate your work.<br /><br />Finding the source is only one reason for citations. The other is to be able to evaluate the value of the source.<br /><br />Comment 2 1/2: People who quail at the size of ESM's book haven't been paying attention. The first 2 chapters tell you all the principles you need to know about evaluating evidence and citing it. The rest of the book is EXAMPLES -- which is something people are always asking for.<br /><br />Harold<br /><br />Harold Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12217640113047709249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-85317661127813849682013-06-03T06:23:46.339-07:002013-06-03T06:23:46.339-07:00Bravo, James. I couldn't agree more.Bravo, James. I couldn't agree more. GeniAushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074874999181040071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-18224840379308282162013-06-03T05:28:42.421-07:002013-06-03T05:28:42.421-07:00I've been writing and editing citations since ...I've been writing and editing citations since the Kennedy administration and I've never been able to use the formatting formats in genealogy software. There's no better way to discourage young people from genealogy than to present them with a complicated "You must do it this way no matter what" on the least fun part of the search. Trying to lock them in on their software is the icing on the poison cake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com