tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post6554948482240720213..comments2024-03-21T19:08:05.737-07:00Comments on Genealogy's Star: The Status of Genealogists in the Greater Academic CommunityJames Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-14552428332861783902013-11-12T11:22:07.541-07:002013-11-12T11:22:07.541-07:00Thanks for the comment. That is an interesting con...Thanks for the comment. That is an interesting concept. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-57556000992466844702013-11-12T07:04:18.602-07:002013-11-12T07:04:18.602-07:00The name of the game is economics. Education is b...The name of the game is economics. Education is based upon economic interaction with the world's business communities, and until and unless genealogy and family history are established as financially productive entities, nothing will happen. Family history and genealogy must be combined within the purview of scholarly academic genealogy.<br />You must provide quality education and learning resources for all educators, across all disciplines, that includes information and data for institutional faculty, staff, teachers, students, parents and research specialists. For example, On the Genealogy of Morality, or On the Genealogy of Morals, is "considered by some Nietzsche scholars to be a work of sustained brilliance and power as well as his masterpiece." [Nietzsche attributes the desire to publish his "hypotheses" on the origins of morality to reading his friend Paul Rée's book The Origin of the Moral Sensations (1877) and finding the "genealogical hypotheses" offered there unsatisfactory.]. Working on origins in any of the university degree programs ultimately requires genealogical research specialist training, expertise which cannot be chained down as a limited sub set of history; which unfortunately, is the mindset from which Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG, presents her ideas. It is the tradition from the past, encountered in current classroom (BYU) presentations, and thus throughout global genealogical communities, sustained by the "everyone can do it" mentality of those whose objectives, thought meritorious, are lacking in effective promotion of family history and genealogy as rigorous disciplines. May I suggest that [to hold the key of the revelation, ordinances, oracles, powers and endowments of the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood], transcends all science and technology that is presently taught within secular educational institutions, and must be approached from foundations that brought forth this earth and the very beginnings of the Universe. Unless presented in this expansive light, society, mankind and the world we live in (including our past joint ancestry = now, monkeyed around) are severely shortchanged. Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.http://academic-genealogy.com/academiceducationlearningresources.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-64313215463860085182013-11-10T11:31:06.139-07:002013-11-10T11:31:06.139-07:00Whenever an affinity group wishes to elevate itsel...Whenever an affinity group wishes to elevate itself to a profession, it will do the following three things:<br /><br />A) Develop a unique jargon for conversations among its members.<br /><br />B) Devise complicated methods and routines for accomplishing simple tasks; and<br /><br />C) Impose entry barriers to its ranks;<br /><br /><br />The accountants, for example, do not say "left" and "right," they say "debit" and "credit." They allocate expenses to pools and reverse their accruals. And, of course, any aspiring person wishing to become one of them must pass the CPA Exam after obtaining the appropriate college credits.<br /><br />There seems to be some of this dynamic at play in both the Genealogy camp and in academe.<br /><br />And yes, the the world of academia is now in great upheaval in its own right; the genealogists' relationships with the academic world will surely be impacted, for better or for worse, by this upheaval.<br /><br />-- Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq.Kenneth H. Ryeskyhttp://taxexcuses.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-11193593309690138372013-11-10T09:55:06.255-07:002013-11-10T09:55:06.255-07:00For what it's worth, the problems aren't j...For what it's worth, the problems aren't just with academic historians. Just try and read the comments page in Wikipedia on many a medieval figure where their ancestry is discussed (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_1st_Lord_of_Annandale ) Genealogists get a rough ride there from many who see themselves as guardians of Wikipedia's rigour and all genealogists as stamp collectors. (NB - I used to collect stamps, so don't complain at me for the analogy).<br /><br />In fact, many of the so-called guardians clearly wouldn't be let within the gates of academia as they refuse point-blank to evaluate sources. I understand where that principle comes from - but the simple fact is that Wikipedia *does* evaluate sources - as someone said somewhere, Wikipedia's article on "fire" does not give equal prominence to Phlogiston as an explanation of fire.<br /><br />But equally, many so-called genealogists are guilty of spreading and respreading the same tired stuff - that very article's talk page refers to "joke peerage sources [that] are used all the time on Wikipedia" and comments that "the peerage stuff fits most of the definitions of a virus actually, at least in regards to historical material on the internet".<br /><br />While the peerage stuff keeps popping up - with all the other equivalents such as Cherokee princesses - then the perception of genealogists (correct or not) is not going to alter in the non-genie world.Adrian Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-80384766446005685192013-11-10T08:23:16.308-07:002013-11-10T08:23:16.308-07:00I'll check those out and I may have some comme...I'll check those out and I may have some comments. :-)James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-66055216553973188052013-11-10T07:16:58.342-07:002013-11-10T07:16:58.342-07:00Records may be available to us all now, James, but...Records may be available to us all now, James, but the stigma of non-academic public history is still there. An early post of mine, 'Are Genealogists Historians Too?' (http://parallax-viewpoint.blogspot.com/2013/08/are-genealogists-historians-too_8.html) presented an encounter of the two worlds by Dr Nick Barratt. More recently, I've tried to analyse some of the differences at 'Micro-history for Genealogists' (http://parallax-viewpoint.blogspot.com/2013/10/micro-history-for-genealogists.html).Tony Proctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330460400737261264noreply@blogger.com