tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post7877033918896175769..comments2024-03-21T19:08:05.737-07:00Comments on Genealogy's Star: Wherein I once again take on the threat of standardized place names...James Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-84872470281420467922020-02-28T15:58:22.712-07:002020-02-28T15:58:22.712-07:00This is a nearly 7 year old post and things have n...This is a nearly 7 year old post and things have not changed substantially in any software of which I am aware. I can understand why as I have been trying to work through this on and off for over a year for a program we are attempting to write, and my head is as bruised as yours likely is from running full tilt into brick walls. I wonder if I could impose on you to review some of my material and offer some feedback? If you are able/willing to help, please feel free to contact me at dave[at]heirloomsoftware.com. Thanks!David Mannhttp://www.heirloomsoftware.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-35276711712941562662013-08-19T16:02:57.066-07:002013-08-19T16:02:57.066-07:00+McElrea ONS, I'm not referring to lat/long he...+McElrea ONS, I'm not referring to lat/long here.<br /><br />There's an example for places at: www.parallaxview.co/familyhistorydata/data-model#CSTranscriptions, and an example involving persons at: www.parallaxview.co/familyhistorydata/data-model#CSCensusRoles.Tony Proctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330460400737261264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-42051552919318989012013-08-19T10:48:40.168-07:002013-08-19T10:48:40.168-07:00Finally found time to write something on place-nam...Finally found time to write something on place-names and place-hierarchies: http://parallax-viewpoint.blogspot.ie/2013/08/a-place-for-everything.html.<br /><br />I don't know where you find the time to generate all your own posts James.Tony Proctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330460400737261264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-31216352006795868932013-08-19T08:47:37.740-07:002013-08-19T08:47:37.740-07:00"You record a personal-name or place-name as ..."You record a personal-name or place-name as it was written, but you can link it to the actual person or place using a digital person-reference or place-reference in your data."<br /><br />@Tony - Can you give an example of this? Are you referring to using lat/long data?McElrea One-Name Studyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06020516440315580918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-64463585875746679812013-08-13T09:40:41.322-07:002013-08-13T09:40:41.322-07:00I agree with your comments and yes, I do wonder wh...I agree with your comments and yes, I do wonder where the lists are coming from?James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-32823731553272355012013-08-13T09:39:40.855-07:002013-08-13T09:39:40.855-07:00It looks like I need to be more specific. Sounds l...It looks like I need to be more specific. Sounds like another post is coming. As usual, your comments are appreciated, insightful and very helpful. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-19334513699251947302013-08-13T09:22:53.807-07:002013-08-13T09:22:53.807-07:00I don't know which software you're using, ...I don't know which software you're using, or which computer programmers have offended you James, but I'm afraid there are some rather large generalisations here. I personally believe in hierarchical place-references. However, as a software person, I have strived to implement this in a way that embraces different countries (not just the US), alternative names/spellings, and boundary changes.<br /><br />The difference is in the use of the term place-name as opposed to place-reference. Dealing with simple names - even if they happen to be hierarchical - is a little like trying to specify a person using just one of their personal names. We accept that a person has varations, and a history, and supporting documents such as photographs. The same approach can be applied to places, too, in which case a place-reference is to the collected data for that place. The printed form of that reference is then almost arbitrary.<br /><br />What about evidence, you might be asking. Well, the same analogy applies. You record a personal-name or place-name as it was written, but you can link it to the actual person or place using a digital person-reference or place-reference in your data. There's no need to re-write history, or get mired in modern-day political correctness.Tony Proctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330460400737261264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-90909538413640543572013-08-13T09:06:37.172-07:002013-08-13T09:06:37.172-07:00Like you, I have a dislike of standardised place n...Like you, I have a dislike of standardised place names. <br /><br />1. From a UK perspective, my dislike comes less one from changing names over time (though that happens) but mainly from the sheer impossibility of listing all places. It might be possible to list all administrative jurisdictions, but many small settlements in my history have never had "legal" existence. <br /><br />(I do wonder if we can blame the programmers for inventing the idea of standardised place names. Their first thought would have been "Where's the list coming from?").<br /><br />2. If we do insist on contemporary names, rather than current, then we need to understand that the chance of creating a map automatically ("A picture is worth a thousand words") is about zero where names have changed. Whether or not this worries us is a personal thing. (One possible way round this, is to enable the recording of events with 2 places - the contemporary and the current. Which gets us back to "How do we change the Data Model for Family History"?)<br /><br />3. Your "long settled ... rule to record the name (and jurisdiction) of the place at the time of the event" is seldom followed in the UK. In 1974, we had a massive change in our counties. In most software, "Widnes, Lancashire, England" (the pre-1974 hierarchy) and "Widnes, Cheshire, England" (the post-1974) would be regarded as two different places. (It's not, of course. It's one place with two different hierarchies). To avoid massive disruption, most (though not all) UK family historians use the pre-1974 counties to record events, regardless of era. Adrian Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1527613590529958801.post-65365310868897442682013-08-13T05:23:59.507-07:002013-08-13T05:23:59.507-07:00Good Morning James,
Legacy at least does some of w...Good Morning James,<br />Legacy at least does some of what you are asking for, if you put in a county name and that wasn't the actual name on the date of the event it is ask you to check and give you options for that. I haven't seen it come up with city options, although it might.Rochester Musingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691166117035061907noreply@blogger.com